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PrintDestroy all of that land; beat down their pillars and break their statues
and waste all of their high places, cleansing the land and dwelling in it.
For I have given it to you for a possession.
Old Testament Numbers 34:52, 53
This argument contains many holes and deficiencies, we're really confused how to respond. It might be effective to answer the question by asking the set of questions below:
- Who is a Jew? This question happens to be the most divisive question in
many Jewish Community around the world.
- Does being a Jew imply belonging to a race? Like the Indian, Arab,
Turkish, ... etc. races.
- Can any person become a Jew? Are you aware that converting to Judaism is not as
straight forward as converting to Islam, Christianity, or even Buddhism? The process of becoming
Jewish is a bureaucratic process that requires extensive rabbinical supervision.
- If a billion people convert to Judaism, does the Right of Return law (the
Israeli law that automatically grants Israeli citizenship solely based on
someone's faith) apply to these new converts?
- Let's ask the above question the other way around, what if all Jews
convert to other religions, are they still considered
"Jews"? After all,
if Hans Herzl, Theodor
Herzl's son, was able to convert to Christianity, it's also possible for other Jews
to follow his footsteps as well. (One
Palestine Complete, p. 302)
Since "God's Promise" was made to Abarahm's decedents, does this "Promise" trickle down to the Semitic Jews who already converted to other religions?,
Does their conversion to Islam or Christianity forfeit the fact that they are descendents from Abraham? It should be noted that many famous Jewish tribes in Arabia, Yemen, Palestine, and Iraq had converted to Christianity and Islam.
Based on their genetic make (D.N.A.), could they become Israeli citizens despite of their conversion? Click here for a video showing how Ben-Gurion (the 1st Israeli Prime Minister) seriously suspected that Palestinians are the original Hebrews who inhabited the land; however, they've converted to Islam over the centuries.
- For the moment, let's assume that the Palestinian people undergo a mass conversion to Judaism, do you think that would put an
end to the
conflict? or
Do you think the Israeli government would be forced to revise its definition of "WHO IS A JEW"?
- According to a Ha'aretz newspaper (a major Israeli newspaper) reported in March
2001 that
half of the Russian Jews who immigrated to Israel
in the 1990s belong to mothers who recently converted to Judaism,
Do you still believe that these people are connected to "Eretz Yisrael" via the Biblical prophecy?
Click here to view an article published by the " Jewish Agency" stating that the true number is closer to 70%.
- Does the Israeli Right of Return law apply to the atheist Jews who
inherited Judaism from their mothers? If your answer is yes, then
Why the Right of Return law does not apply to Jews who converted to other religions?
Are you aware that Jews who convert to other religions would not be able to gain automatic Israeli citizenship based on the Israeli Right of Return Law? Ironically, this law was even up-held by the Israeli supreme court.
- Finally, the exact borders of the "Promised Land" have not been geographically
defined. The Biblical "Promise", which "God had granted to Abraham's
descendants", covered the areas between
the Nile River in Egypt and the Euphrates River in Iraq,
Does that imply that Israel's future borders eventually will span the borders of Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Egypt, and Southern Turkey?
Could that explain why Israel has neither a constitution nor a properly defined borders?
In that regard, it is worth sharing the following encounter between Pinhas Rozen (Israel's first Justice Minister) and Ben-Gurion (Israel's 1st Prime Minister). Rozen demanded that Israel's Declaration of Independence should cite the country's borders. Ben-Gurion objected, and both exchanged the following:ROZEN: "There's the question of the borders, and it cannot be ignored."
BEN-GURION: "Anything is possible. If we decide here that there's to be no mention of borders, then we won't mention them. Nothing is a priori [imperative]."
ROZEN: "It's not a priori, but it is a legal issue."
BEN-GURION: "The law is whatever people determine it to be." (1949, The First Israelis, p. xviii)If "Eretz Yisrael" would encompass these vast borders, does that imply the Biblical prophecy?
Does that explain why Israel has invaded and occupied neighboring states?
Since the "Promised Land" includes southern Lebanon, was invading and occupying Lebanon part of this prophecy?
If the invasion of Lebanon was a fulfillment of this ancient Biblical prophecy, then was it a prophecy, or a negation of this prophecy, to withdraw from Lebanon?
Click here to get an idea as to how the ancient "Biblical map" was central to the evolution of Zionism and to Israel's policies in the Middle East.
There is no question that some of present day Jews are definitely descendents of the prophet Isaac and the prophet Abraham. However, to claim that other people, inclusive of the Palestinian people, are not descendants of Isaac is ridiculous. Either through voluntary or involuntary conversion, the majority of the Semitic Jews had converted, over time, to other religions, such as Christianity and Islam. Results of a DNA study by geneticist Ariella Oppenheim (a famous Israeli geneticist) appears to match historical accounts that Arab Israelis and Palestinians, together as the one same population, represent modern "descendants of a core population that lived in the area since prehistoric times", albeit religiously first Christianized then largely Islamized, and all eventually culturally Arabized. Referring to those of the Muslim faith more specifically, it reaffirmed that Palestinian "Muslim Arabs are descended from Christians and Jews who lived in the southern Levant, a region that includes Israel, Sinai and part of Jordan." Geneticist Michael Hammer praised "the study for 'focusing in detail on the Jewish and Palestinian populations.'"
The core of Israel's future problems lies in its crippled democracy (since it empowers people based on their religion). In order for it to survive, Israel has to continuously redefine its definition of "who is a Jew." Its current definition of "who is a Jew" is fluid-since it has been written to suite its domestic political agenda. This racist and crippled "Jewish Democracy" won't last. So if you agree with Israel's current status, then enjoy it while it lasts. Any civilization that bases itself on exclusion, rather than inclusion, sooner or later will self-destruct.
Finally, let's assume that it's a true fact that God made such a "promise" to Abraham's descendants (regardless of whether these descendants were Jews, Arabs, or even of non-Semitic extraction), then it must have been a racist promise-since it was based on the genetic make up of Abraham's heirs. The question which begs to be asked is this:
Related LinksIs it possible that, at one point in history, God made a racist promise?
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Dr. Eran Elhaik "The Missing Link of Jewish European Ancestry: Contrasting the Rhineland and the Khazarian Hypotheses"
See the January 16, 2013 AFP article on Dr. Elhaik's paper
Gene study settles debate over origin of European Jews
(AFP) – Jan 16, 2013
PARIS — Jews of European origin are a mix of ancestries, with many hailing from tribes in the Caucasus who converted to Judaism and created an empire that lasted half a millennium, according to a gene study.
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Less than half of those polled -- 46 percent -- call themselves secular, while only 22 percent identify themselves as Orthodox or ultra-Orthodox, with 32 percent defining themselves as traditional Jews. More than half of the respondents -- 55 percent -- believe in the coming of the Messiah."
http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/insideisrael/2012/January/Survey-80-Percent-of-Israelis-Believe-in-God/
The synod's final statement, drawn up by a commission headed by Bustros, also said that "recourse to theological and biblical positions which use the Word of God to wrongly justify injustices is not acceptable.
"On the contrary, recourse to religion must lead every person to see the face of God in others and to treat them according to their God-given prerogatives and God’s commandments, namely, according to God's bountiful goodness, mercy, justice and love for us."
Speaking at press conference, Butros said: "The theme of the promised land cannot be used as a basis to justify the return of the Jews to Israel and the expatriation of the Palestinians."
"For Christians one can no longer talk of the land promised to the Jewish people," he said, because the "promise" was "abolished by the presence of Christ."
In the kingdom of God, which covers the whole world, "there is no longer a favoured people, a chosen people, all men and women of every country have become the chosen people," the Lebanese-born Butros said.
Hardline Jewish settlers in particular claim their right to build on Palestinian territory by saying it forms part of biblical Israel, the land promised by God to the Jews according to the Old Testament.
Butros also warned against the risk of Israel becoming an exclusively Jewish state, with a consequent threat to the 1.5 million Muslim and Christian Arabs living there.
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu wants to introduce a controversial loyalty oath to Israel as a "Jewish state" to apply to both Jews and non-Jews wanting to become citizens.
He has also made a freeze on settlement building conditional on Palestinian recognition of Israel's Jewish identity in what has been widely seen as a ploy to complicate US-backed peace efforts.
It's as possible as that God caused a bush to burn without being burned to ashes in order to get the attention of Moses.
Yes.
BUT, if so, it wouldn't be for the aggrandizement of the Jews, but for the glory of God alone.
It is as simple as it sounds: Jew, who has "right to return", is someone who defined as such (Jew) by the Nazi regime, During and before WWII.
Here is your definition: Person who's grandfather (or grandmother), was or is a Jew.
It is easier for me to accept such a Racist Israely law, since Israely regime, actually gives true citizenship to many people which are not jews, because being a Jew is not the only Criteria of receiving citizenship in Israel.
As for any deceived Christians that support Zionist "Israel" (that is the stupid Zionist "Christians") all that needs to be said to them is from the New Testament; Matthew 21:43- Therefore I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you (i.e. the Jews) and given to a people who will produce its fruit. (NIV Bible) Thus according to Christianity, Jews are not "chosen" anymore! Note that most Ashkenazi Jews are simply Khazars anyway!
and nothing else !!
Call it Promised-Land
call it Stolen-Land
call it Eretz Israel
call it Palestine
call it the Land of Canaan
call it the Occupied Land
call it yours !!
it is only a Land
The Israelis needed it for their expansion
and the Palestinians needed it
for their survival and existance.
Did God give it Golda Meier ??
Did Moses invade it with Egyptian-slaves ??
Did Richard Lion-Heart offer it to the Pope ??
it is all in a piece of Land
Did Salah el Ddin (Saladin) liberate it
did Hertzel steal it
did Jesus bless it
it is all about Land !!
is it a restitution after the Holocaust
is it a restitution after the Crusaders
is it a restitution after Napoleon´s defeat in Acre
Nonsense , it is only about a Land ??
Did General Allenby also liberate it ??
Did Al Khalifa Omar earn it ??
Did Jesus meet Mohammad in there ??
it is just a piece of Land ,
but without any Peace
Do the Zionists need it
Does Judaism can survive without it
Did God give it to some .........
and denied it to others
No Sir !! it is simply a piece of land
that stretches from the Tiberian-sea to the Red-sea
passing by the Dead-Sea
while it is all retained in the East
by the Mediterranean- Sea .
Did Rotchild purchase it ??
Did Balfour sell it ??
Did the Sultan of Istanbul abandon it ??
No Sir !!!
Balfour did not own it , so he could not sell it
and Rotchild was not even welcome
by the Sultan who owned it
No sir .........it is just a piece of Land
where
the Pagans once became Jews ,
where
the Jews ,later, became Christians
and where
the Christians became Muslims.
They all drunk from the river Jordan
and all have feared the same mighty God,
until the day the Zionists came.....
The Zionists who feared nobody
brought to us
death and destruction,
colonialism and apartheid
exile and deportation
and of course, they took the land.
That same Land I am talking about
the one called Holy-Land
or Promised-Land
Land of Canaan
or simply and unpretentiously
or normaly and historically ,
PALESTINE.
Nothing mystical about it
nothing miraculous nor diofvine,
the Whites did in South-Africa,
in North and South-America
even in Hawaii...... .
so why not in Palestine !!
it is just a piece of Land like all the others
and he who has the bigger-guns may keep it !!
Forget the United-Nations and International Laws
forget Human-rights , National-rights and even History
Do not mind about anything religious.....
Just see that you get, and you keep,
the bigger-guns .
It is all about a Land,
and he who has the bigger-guns ,
may keep it !!
Raja Ibrahim Khalil Ibrahim el Chemayel
...
Up to 3 million Israelites camped in a wilderness for 40 years, but no traces of their camps, burials, and millions of animal sacrifices could be found in ten years of excavations. This may be an argument from silence, but it is a silence that screams.
13: This is what the Sovereign LORD says: "These are the boundaries by which you are to divide the land for an inheritance among the twelve tribes of Israel, with two portions for Joseph. 14: You are to divide it equally among them. Because I swore with uplifted hand to give it to your forefathers, this land will become your inheritance.
Verses 15-20 Concern the specific boundaries of the land.
21: "You are to distribute this land among yourselves according to the tribes of Israel. 22: You are to allot it as an inheritance for yourselves and for the aliens who have settled among you and who have children. You are to consider them as native-born Israelites; along with you they are to be allotted an inheritance among the tribes of Israel. 23: In whatever tribe the alien settles, there you are to give him his inheritance," declares the Sovereign LORD.
Ezekiel 47 makes it very clear. The land is an inheritance for the Twelve Tribes of Israel. Aliens are to be given a portion of the inheritance - within the division of land belonging to the Tribe of Israel in which they choose to live. It says nothing about the children of Ishmael having their own state, carved from the land promised the Twelve Tribes of Israel.
Kaufman, a frequent critic of Israel who was raised as an Orthodox Jew, sharply criticized Israel in a House of Commons debate on Gaza, saying that "The present Israeli government ruthlessly and cynically exploit the continuing guilt from Gentiles over the slaughter of Jews in the Holocaust as justification for their murder of Palestinians."
The MP also commented on the claim that large numbers of the Palestinian victims were militants, saying that "I suppose the Jews fighting for their lives in the Warsaw ghetto could have been dismissed as militants," he said.
Kaufman urged the British government to impose an arms embargo on Israel
I'm confussed....What is the truth,and only the truth!!
We are all The Creators children!Uphold one God,the God.What ever language or region your from and holy name you give Him,and He will give us the Light(Israel)!
Anyone asking this question is unaware that the Prophet Muhammad pnuh was indeed a descendant of the prophet Abraham from his son prophet Ismail. Thus Muslims are the descendants of the Prophet Abraham aswell.