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Posted by Josh on February 5, 2010 #102900

This site maintains information which is largely accurate or otherwise compelling. I am troubled, however, by its inevitable contribution to the vitriolic dialogue surrounding the conflict.

Special pleading and the adoption of a particular narrative extends the nationalistic debate which serves to fan the fire of conflict.

The Zionist movement developed as the political articulation of a desire for political autonomy. In creating the State of Israel, its founders ignored the needs and claims of the indigenous Palestinians. In the view of these educated 18th century Europeans, the native peoples of Greater Syria, without a cogent political status or identity, were essentially invisible. This is the reality which defines the conflict over the last 61-odd years. Jewish assumptions had been that they would be able to establish a state where there was no real conflict with the Palestinians. Over time exposure to European political ideas and interaction with the neighboring Arab states encouraged the development of a Palestinian national identity, which did not exist except as an arbitrary offshoot of Syrian culture.

It is essentially a clash between modernism and traditional culture. It is not a war between Jews and Arabs but a universal struggle between man fueled by the mechanisms of modernity. It is only when people are willing to abandon their own vigilant justice and ideational crusades that this particular dispute, among others extant and those to come, can be settled in a humane and equitable fashion.
Posted by yogi0000 on January 9, 2010 #100401

The conflict is the readily forseeable result of the last vetiges of Europeans so full of themselves as to believe the Empire was an honorable end in itself and that they knew best how heathens and savages should be dealt with.

We are ostensibly wser now and should recant and put back what we can allowing the people of the region to work together as equals and occupy the lands in question as citizens of the states before Balfour.
Posted by Maggie on December 11, 2009 #97623

I've read some very intelligent comments (and a few select ignorant ones) here so far, but let me say, even the people who have only recently discovered that the Palestinians have a strong, maybe even stronger case (morally) in this conflict, automatically shifting positions and 'hating' on the other side is almost exactly as stupid as being ignorant.

Look at it this way.. men have treated women abysmally for the better part of humanity's history, and still do in many countries. Does that mean that the women now have the right to treat men the same way for a few thousand years in return to get back at them? Theoretically, yes, that would appear fair. Logically and from a humanistic standpoint - no. It is wise to agree that the injustices should be put behind us and work on creating universal equality of both genders. I hold the same belief what concerns the Israel - Palestine conflict. Peace is the only way to stop the suffering - on both sides, who's righter or wronger or whose side you're on should come SECOND to that.
Posted by Concerned on December 11, 2009 #97582

My 8 year old son asked, "Why don't we save Palestine?" In his young eyes, the Palestinian conflict is not about religion or land but about humanity. Where basic rights of men, women and children are being systematically and spitefully stolen from them.

In our safe, protected homes, we have to remember that Palestinian children live in fear of bombs and raids. That fruits and clean water that help them be healthy are with held from them, that the only knowledge they receive now is not 1 1=2 but just how to survive to next day.

Yes, we do need to remember Palestine and the unfailing spirit of it's people. We need to remember there was such and such street and the sweet shop that stood on it's corner. We need to remember because there is a concerted effort being made now to make us forget.

My answer to my son, "Yes, why don't we? Let's save Palestine."
Posted by Meg1806 on November 30, 2009 #96654

How do the Palestinian-Isreali conflicts relate to the Crusades?
Posted by tou on September 18, 2009 #89315

Palestine will one day recieve and conquer there land back from those hiddious irealis.....GO!!!!PALESTINE!!!!YEAH!!!!
Posted by Lianne on July 13, 2009 #82850

I LOVE PALESTINE!!!!!!! PALESTINE = MY LIFE!!!!!!
Posted by mir on May 27, 2009 #78432

Imagine the case that there is no God, only humans, who knows...In that case a human solution must be possible.
Posted by AYM on April 7, 2009 #73298

this is an amazing web site. keep on working on it!u have been doing a great job!
the objective side is the most important thing in this web.
thank u!
Posted by pagan_lord on April 2, 2009 #72823

good on ya mate
keep up the good work with this site
Posted by john on March 19, 2009 #71327

I luv palestine. Go mohammed.
Posted by AN ARABIAN on February 28, 2009 #69143

palestine is coming back to the palestanians no matter what happens .remember that there is nothing impossible u saw the last gaza war the palestanians won .in 2000 israel withdrew from lebanon not because its a peace lover! its cuz of the thing called the islamic ressistance in lebanon hezbollah and again in 2006 israel failed big time.

thanks...that was an arab voice
Posted by Djigivara on February 26, 2009 #68888

Marhaba
I am proud of this Excellent website!
God bless our Holy Palestine
Long Live Palestine
I hope that entire world will see and understand the the TRUE
About what happen in Palestine israel kill daily and destruct houses and build israeli houses on the Palestine Lands!
Where the Human Rights Where the World Where the Arab countries where the Muslims???
I sure soon israel will lost and the Palestine will be FREE!
Inshaa Allah
Allah w Akbar
Talal MEHYAR
France
Posted by Ali on February 13, 2009 #67486

I like the neutral presentation of this website to the (very difficult) conflict. Finally, the usurping israelis are seen as they are, and I believe that the United Nations will sooner or later announce to the world "A historic mistake" by giving European Jewish Refugees in Palestine during and after the end of the second world war, to give them the rights to stay and even more: give them the land that they do not possess....at that time (timing issues: immediately after the second world war; the Palestine issue was not pressing! However now, it seems the problems is creating international depression as we see economically today...That is because of existence of the wrong usurping israeli entity in the middle east). But UN will have the chance to correct the historic mistake: by RE Announcing the establishment of the free Arabic State of Palestine and to reward every Palestinian in the Middle East with recreation packages because of the massive stress that has been created over them by usupring israelis during the past decades. Long Live Palestine.
Posted by abu karim on February 4, 2009 #66460

i truely commend the effort that has been put in this website, especially its "objectivity" in presenting our right cause. an objective and well balanced approach away from whatever feelings we might have. it might be even too objective for our liking .thank you
Posted by UnBiasedSoSTFU on February 1, 2009 #66128

Soooo you all need to realise that whining about the unfairness of the situation wont solve anything. its not fair- its war. "All is fair in love and war"? That ring a bell? Anyway, Israel took the Palestine, just as many dynasty's and empires and countries have taken over other dynasty's and empires and countries - its the way of life. Israel, having control of the land now, has the right to treat the Palestine's however they want. If the Palestine's cant take the land back, they must cope or leave. No, its not fair, but its life, its war, its reality, get over it or do something about it.
Posted by herbie77 on January 26, 2009 #65307

The complicity of the rest of the world, particularly the USA in supporting Israel in their destruction of Palestine is a crime against humanity. Everything that Israel has done was premeditated and well documented. They have made no secret of, nor do they deny their actions. The UN has remained gutless, because of USA veto. This indifference has bred world terrorism, because of despiration. This was the only available action left, after ALL political possiblities failed.
Posted by john on January 20, 2009 #64512

Goebbels said that a lie told once remains a lie but a lie told a thousand times becomes the truth.
How well the Israelis and their American accomplices have learned that lesson.
Few people today remember that jews, christians and muslims lived in harmony under Turkish rule for hundreds of years before the Zionists started to arrive from Europe after WW1.
Few people remember the jewish terrorist gangs of the 1940s and the fact that some of them were willing to help the Nazis in return for a jewish state in Palestine.
The decision by the UN to partition Palestine without the consent of the population was the worst politcal decision of the 20th century and must be reversed before there can be peace in the Middle East
Posted by bhavna on January 18, 2009 #64279

My heart bleeds for thee
Palestine
I pray for the day
When your children will rise
And peace once more reigns
In your hearts
In your free homeland
Posted by Lexuslolzzz8324 on January 17, 2009 #64235

i am trying to do a report about this conflict.
There are so many things that i dont understand.
but i have relized that many people have been injured because of this disaster conflict. Everytime i turn on the t.v. i see only the conflict. every news channel its talking about it.
i wish i could make some connections with the reality of things, i need to understand it first.
well if you can give me any information about this event you can email me... Lexus_huffman@hotmail.com
thank you
Posted by Anonymous American on January 16, 2009 #64042

Unfortunately, the Americans will never wake up. There are two reasons for this. The first is because Jews control the media in the USA. They do not present the Arab side of the conflict accurately. My statements above are not anti-semitic; they are pro-factual. The second reason is that there is a very large strain of Dispensationalism in American Protestantism; the Dispensationalists misinterpret Genesis 12:1-2 as applying to the modern nation-state of Israel, rather than as applying to Christ. Because of this twisting of scripture, they support the Zionists no matter what atrocities they commit. May God have mercy on them!

Until the God of Israel takes pity on His suffering children, they will continue to suffer. Assuredly, He does not approve of the current holocaust at the hands of the descendants of the Khazars. The God of Israel, Jesus of Nazareth, taught that we must forgive our enemies and love those who persecute us.

Given the political and economic reality, the Palestinians cannot win by violence. The Israelis and the Americans are stronger by orders of magnitude.

Perhaps if a charismatic leader were to arise among the Arab peoples, and also if the Palestinians were to adopt a policy of *completely non-violent resistance* to the Israeli evil, the wicked Jews might be conquered.

In the meantime, this is an excellent opportunity for the Palestinians to forgive their murderous Israeli oppressors. Those Palestinians who are Christians *must* forgive; every day in the "Our Father" they ask God to forgive them in exactly the same way as they forgive those who have committed sins against them. It is not easy, but it is necessary.

Lord Have Mercy!!
Posted by tala on January 12, 2009 #63396

i have decided to write after watching 17 days go by without a hope in sight for the people in gaza....it is a shame a disgrace to be a human being in this time and era....i am a mother of two and the image of the 8 year old boy that has lost his sight has not left my mind
i still dont understand how a country can be based on a religion...a religion written hundreds of years ago that promised a land to a sect of people...so should all the christians from all around the world bundle up and live in the usa...would that ever be allowed??
judiasm is a religion ...jews already had nationalities to begin with...they had homes and lives
but were all called to come and live on the promised land
on top of a demolished palestinian home and life
it is bewildering to see the world act so different to the same acts made by different countries...isreal goes insane over 1 hostage when she has 11,000 hostages....destroys lebanon and kills hundreds for the kidnapping of 3...massacres 900 people and injurs 4000 in gaza for a couple of rockets that have injured a few at their end.
as a very proud palestinian....i truly can say that the world has created a new generation of palestinians and arabs that have no interest in peace....palestine should be solely for the palestinian people that have endured years of injustice and should be ethnically cleansed of isrealis that have for years punished us for the holocaust....just a reminder...hitler did it not us....long live palestine
Posted by Yara on January 10, 2009 #63070

The current events in Gaza are depressing. Israeli's are selfish and inhumane. All they care about is forming a Jewish state on another people's land. The forced out many Palestinians from their homes and took them away from their families before and now history is repeating itself. When Israeli's go on television and say that they are trying to find Hamas and destroy them and are in no way whatsoever trying to harm civilians is a lie and they must think the people watching are total idiots. If their sole purpose wasn't to destroy infrastructure and ruin lives, then why have 730 people died to date almost all civilians and most of them women and children? If their sole purpose wasn't to treat PEOPLE like ANIMALS then why have they attacked a SCHOOL with innocent children? Do they actually think that people believe that they think Hamas is hiding WEAPONS under these schools? Every person watching the news should take it very personally and KNOW that they are being called idiots because these Isreali's are feeding lies to people and expect everyone to eat up every word they say. It is disgusting that so many innocent people have died and they actually have the nerve to try and justify what they are doing.
Posted by Mary on January 7, 2009 #62754

I have visited Israel and was very pro-israel upon arrival. But I soon changed my mind when I saw how innocent young couples doing their daily shopping in the old city were held at machinegun point for hours for no reason whatsoever. This happened constantly to all arab people. The arab people had no weapons only rocks. They would light fires in the middle of the road with tyres to bring in the army and fight them with rocks while the army had machine guns. We saw arab families removed from their homes while israeli families moved in. A 24 guard was posted on the new israeli families home. The arab family had no place to live. This happened all the time. Most of the people in Jerusalem lived together in peace, christians, muslims and jews. I found the muslim people to be most kind, understanding and peace loving. I feel that nothing will be done to bring about peace in Israel because the majority of Americas wealthy and prominent people are jewish. I hope that Obama will not be influenced by the wealthy jews of America and that somehow he can bring about peace in Israel.
Posted by Edd on January 6, 2009 #62591

This is a really interesting website and I wish more people knew about the history. what really upsets me though is how a lot of people view this as a conflict of religions. I don't understand why a religious person would ever consider causing pain and suffering to any human being, especially if it has to do with religion.

I hope that the injustices are stopped and that in the world over people stop looking at the wars themselves, but the cause of the wars and what can be done to solve them.

Peace and love
Posted by Martin on January 1, 2009 #61900

I found this website today.....
I profess little understanding of the conflict, but see it thus:
The attitude and behaviour of the Israelis almost exactly mirrors those carried out by the Nazis in Germany during WW2.
Surely the world will wake up and act eventually to stop the ethnic cleansing and brutality carried out in the name of Jews all over the world. Have they forgotten the 6 million who perished in WW2? Or is this just about retribution.
I feel for the Palestinian people and their lands. It breaks my heart that I will probably never be able to visit, and share the beauty of your birthplace.
My thoughts and prayers are with you.
Posted by segja on December 29, 2008 #61454

how to resolv this conflict?
we, the out side world can't do a thing, the problem lies inside palesinian people, just look at them what kind of muslims they are, they have fractions,partys,organisations and so one....
if they did follow the sunnah of the profet muhamad s.a.w.s and the sunnah of the first generation of the muslims Salaf-us-Salih this confilct will be resolved rightaway or wouldent be existed
Posted by yves on October 21, 2008 #55274

This is a great and important website.. keep up the good work. There is also some interesting facts to be learned at www.spinwhip.com/israel98 ... it shows people's opinions in a very graphical way :-)
Posted by Matt-UK on October 11, 2008 #54390

Hi all,

It's certainly very interesting to see how many different views people have on the issues on what has been going on in the Israeli region since the Nakba 60 years ago. I live in the UK and like many in western countries, my only source of information about the Israeli/Palestinian issues was from the news on TV (mainly the BBC & Commercial channels such as SKY News). I was naive to what was going on because the deep rooted reasons were never explained. Suicide Bombers were reported but their reasons for doing such an extreme & horrific act were not...

I decided to delve a bit deeper. So when Al-Jazeera news started broadcasting in English on Sky TV, I was shocked to see the other side of the story! I could not believe what has happened and what is still going on in the region. Since watching reports from 'the other side' I am convinced even more so, that there is never smoke without fire.

I have since read a book called 'The Other Side of Israel' by a woman called Susan Nathan (ISBN: 0-00-719511-7) which I have found fascinating! Anyone who thinks the Arabs in the state of Israel should just 'get along' or 'get on with it' will certainly sympathize with their cause after reading this book!

So why am I writing this post? Well, these aren''t the ramblings of an English eccentric, I just feel that people should not have such strong views on one side or the other until they have delved deep into the history of issues such as these.

- Citizens of the Western world: Don't hungrily swallow up what the media spoon feed you - look at alternative news, read into the subjects, make YOUR OWN mind up! Ask yourself 'WHY?'

- Citizens of the Arab world: Don't think all Westerners are against you, politicians are crooks and we should be ashamed to not have had the strength to stand up and say NO to leaders like Bush & Blair: Remember South Africa! It took time, but the Black people prevailed!

"People should not be afraid of their governments - Governments should be afraid of their people!"
Posted by Normal on October 3, 2008 #53673

Well, to be honest, it's impossible to get an objective view of the conflict after reading this web-site. Talk about a one sided site ...

Jews have continuously lived in the area today know as Palestine for thousands of years. Jewish immigration to the area over the last 100 years was mostly to land bought and paid for. Nobody was thrown off their land and nobody had their rightfully owned land 'stolen'. No laws were violated and nobody's human right was violated by Jewish immigration. The notion that Jews have no connection, do not belong, or are 'alien' to Palestine is rubbish.

Zionism is nothing more than Jewish self determination.
Posted by Matt on September 6, 2008 #51338

just forget about it, its just violence, like really, who cares, whats the point? this stupidity is why there is violence in the world, were all the same people, all I gotta say is, just get along, and that would end your conflict, viola, lets go back to kindergarten and learn to JUST GET ALONG
Posted by Juman AJ on July 27, 2008 #47210

"The Guy" how could someone live in peace while another is attacking day and night, killing children and men, rapping women, destroying houses, and stealing lands? Well, i must say you are the ignorant one to say "Both sides are wrong". How could that be? Just picture yourfels livinf in a land "X" and another party that doesn't even have a country or a land wants to establish one in yours or even instead of yours called "Y" and it starts forcing your people to leave X and others take your people's places, lands, destroy the ecnomoy and their peaceful lives. Then, X people (your people) refuse and start fighting back to get their right back, would you, as a civilian as an indivisual and as the one being attacked, blame the fault on both sides? Think again!
Posted by the guy on June 22, 2008 #43149

You guys below clearly are ignorant.
A website is all it takes to change your view on one of the most controversial issues to ever come about?
I will not name my country or my nationality in this excerpt.
There are both sides to each story. Wrongs were done by BOTH sides and wrongs are still being done by BOTH sides. There are also reasons for certain countries support in these areas that go far beyond just who is RIGHT or WRONG.
Look a little deeper into the conflict.
Reasons why people did this and why people did that, look at the influences of the surrounding countries, Britian, Russia, France etc. britian's conflicting promises added to the rise inimmigration that ultimately started the huge skirmishes between the Arabs and the Israeli's.
People have a right to live in Peace.
On both sides.
Posted by Marc Weeks on June 18, 2008 #42700

Fifteen years ago I held a very naive view of the Israel-Palestine conflict (I don't like the word "conflict"--it's not strong enough to describe what's happening and it makes the parties sound equal--but Norman Finkelstein uses the word, so I guess it's okay). Having read not one page about the subject and relying only on televised reports (and the 1972 Olympic Games), I formed an extremely diffuse idea of what the conflict was all about: two sides were fighting over something that happened so long ago that they weren't even sure who started it. I told you I was naive.

What strikes me now, however, is how uncontroversial this matter should be. The Israelis are clearly acting to the detriment of the Palestinian people, if one acknowledges anything the main human rights organizations report, and they are, I believe acting against the best interests of their own citizens. (I'm sure I even read once that Ariel Sharon may have encouraged Lebanese attacks against Israelis in the north to provide justification for the attack against Lebanon in the 1980s.)

And our presidential candidates in the U.S. bending over backwards (almost literally) to please AIPAC indicates that there will be no end soon to the free flow of money for Israel security (!!).

Thank you for your incredible website. I can feel my naivete slipping away.
Posted by KeLeMi on June 8, 2008 #41124

Let's face it. Like most Americans, I was conditioned to thinking the way that I did about Israel. I grew up in a Jewish neighborhood in the US. Most of my friends were Jewish. I learned about the Holocaust and read the boox "Exodus". I heard about how bad the Arab governments were. I saw these huge oil rich Arab nations ganging up on tiny Israel and getting well desserved blody noses. The David versus Goliaths story fascinated me.

Just as Americans weren't told the truth about Vietnam, we weren't told the truth about the Palestinians.I didn't know that at the beginning of the 20th century, a majority of people living in what is today called Israel were Arab. I didn't know about their expulsions. Now that I do, I change my position. Of course I still don't like most Arab governments and I still want to keep Sirhan Sirhan in jail.
Posted by nicholas_american on May 5, 2008 #37007

I must admit that everyday American citizens are mostly consumed with ignorance. For instance, when the September 11th terrorist attacks took place in my country, my immediate response was, "Those Palestinians are going to get their asses kicked for this." I can only be ashamed of my ignorance at the time. Then, I was a 15 years old; a very uneducated person. Since then, I have attended college for some time and have studied Middle Eastern relations. Here in America, the media countlessly portrays the current situation between Israel and Palestine as Palestinian terrorists unjustly attacking Jewish settlers. This is the overwhelming portrayal of the Palestinian-Israeli conflict in American media. Millions of American citizens are being mislead by the media for the Israeli cause. I believe with a transformation of the message that is being broadcasted to these Americans, that there will be a huge increase in hope for the many suffering Palestinians. Most Americans and Westerners are ignorant to the situation and suffering that Palestinians endure. The Jews now are creating a new Holocaust at the expense of the Palestinians who have the right to the land and the right to live how they please. It all comes down to the hunger for money and competing interests in the area. No one seems to care about human rights anymore. There needs to be a huge transformation of the messages that are being portrayed to Americans through the media, and other Westerners a like. Palestinians will receive huge increases in support and WILL regain what is rightfully theirs. It is not just the Muslims who should unite, but their fellow people of the Book. Muslims and Christians alike should bond together on the issue, for there is much that each can do for each other.

Nicholas R. D.
United States of America
Posted by Abdullahi Hassan on March 7, 2008 #30909

Muslims should wake up and raise the flag of Islam. Today, muslims raised their hands and are starting to surrender one by one. Why do you think great muslims like Salahuddin, the Khulafaah (Abu Bakar(ra), Umar (ra), Uthman(ra) and Ali(ra)), Mohamed Al-Fath and many more succeeded?. Because they held their feet firm and dedicated their lives completly to ALLAH. So why can't we be like them. Why Why WHy??. Because we are scared of death and love this world. So, majority of muslims lay their arms down except for few warriors, too few to be seen e.g. the chechen warrior, iraqi brothers, afghan, somali and every single muslim country has a minority who will dedicate their lives to allah completly. So Muslims rise!!
Posted by Autobahn on February 19, 2008 #29410

Thanx for spent time for writing.I get plenty things in the last couple of weeks.It totally changed my mind
Posted by John on February 9, 2008 #28847

As one who was in Palestine in the Brtish Army in 1946 only thirty percent of the Mandate was Jewish and half of these had been born in other countries. The Israelis today are the modern Nazis of the world and they appear to control the USA so whoever wins the Presiential campaign little hope will be given to the Palestinians.
Posted by Knutars on February 8, 2008 #28787

Excellent site!

Additional information on Zionism is found at The French Connection (iamthewitness.com). Please listen to the interviews with Jenifer Dixon.

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