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Isn't it true that Palestinians never had either a state, nor any distinct culture or language of their own?
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Posted on August 2, 2001

For the moment, let's assume that the Palestinian people should not have a country of their own because they have never had a state, then why should the peoples of Salvador, Guatemala, Congo, Algeria, ... etc. have the right of self determination?

It should be noted that none of these countries had a state prior to gaining independence, nor a distinct language or culture that set them apart from their neighboring states. In other words, even if it's true that the Palestinian people had neither a state, nor a distinct culture or language:

According to historical facts, Zionism, as an ideology, evolved in response to the rise of Europe's nationalism and anti-Semitism in the late 19th century, especially in Tsarist Russia (Pale States), France during the Dreyfus affair, and Germany after WW I.

Similarly, Palestinian nationalism evolved in response to the presence of Zionism in Palestine, and most importantly because of the British intention to turn Palestine into a "Jewish National Home," see the Balfour Declaration for further details. These central facts were well articulated by David Ben-Gurion (Israel's 1st Prime Minister) and Moshe Sharett (Israel's 1st Foreign Minister) on many occasions. For example:

So if the causes of Zionism had not risen, meaning European anti-Semitism, then Palestinian nationalism might not have evolved into what it is today. It's worth noting that the Palestinian people, prior to WW I, always identified themselves as being part of "The Great Syria" (Suriyya al-Kubra), however, that drastically changed when Britain intended to turn Palestine into a "Jewish National Home", see the Balfour Declaration for more details.

This declaration, which was made to the Zionist Movement in 1917, signaled the future dispossession and ethnic cleansing of the Palestinian people because it did not address their political rights. On the other hand, the declaration recognized the political rights of the "Jewish people" around the world, despite the fact that the Jews in Palestine were under 8% of the total population as of 1914 (Righteous Victims, p. 83). In that respect, Lord Balfour, who was the British Foreign Secretary and a self-professed Christian Zionist, stated in 1919:

"Zionism, be it right or wrong, good or bad, is rooted in age-old traditions, in present needs, in future hopes, of far profounder importance than the desires and prejudices of the 700,000 [Palestinian] Arabs who now inhabit the ancient land." (Righteous Victims, p. 75)

In response to this declaration, the Palestinian people started to collectively oppose the British Mandate, Jewish immigration, and land sales to the Zionist movement.

Rather than dealing directly with the issues, sadly many Israelis and Zionists have chosen to ignore the existence of the Palestinians as a people. It should be emphasized that the hawk of all Israeli hawks, Ariel Sharon, has accepted the existence of a Palestinian state, in principle, in a portion of historic Palestine. Whether Israelis and Zionists like it or not, Palestine now exists as a postal code, international calling code, internet domain name, ...etc. in the heart of "Eretz Yisrael". The 8.5 million Palestinians are not going away, and the sooner Israelis and Zionists understand this simple message, the faster they shall start dealing with core issues of the conflict in a pragmatic way.

Finally, applying such logic is very dangerous since it would eliminate half United Nations' members overnight. It is simply not just to suppress the political, economic, and civil rights of the Palestinian people by claiming that they never previously had a state, distinct language, and distinct culture. Ironically, the Zionist movement has been encouraging Jews from all corners of the world to emigrate to "Eretz Yisrael", so that there is no real common denominator between all of these immigrants such as a common language, culture, country of origin, or even a unified interpretation of "who is a Jew".

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Posted by ShlomoBaram on September 10, 2007 #20227

Good synopsis, it is the story of the native American, Inu and Eskimo, and Kurds, too.
There are many stories of injustice by Western European nations.Europeans divided the middle east into nation states, with artificial borders. The Kurds still plead for their country; the Hashemites, from the Nation state of Saudi Arabia, still take refuge in foreign territories (Iraq, Jordan), Circassians still take refuge in Palestine, as do Muslim Serbs, who settled villages like Qisariya); no one laments their plight.
There is no easy equation to solve Israeli and Palestinian history.
Focus on a solution that will move closer to acceptance of both sides, rather than a tit-for-tat rehashing of the pain of history.
This happened, good, bad, indifferent, the land was divided, and ruling powers took over. Israel is fact; the Palestinian people have an for nationhood.
We need not explain why things did not happen, make things happen now.

Posted by Brent on August 9, 2007 #18999

Great job! Like you mentioned up until the end of WWI and the "Balfour Delcaration" era Palestinian Arabs say themselves as part of the "Great Syria". This siginificantly changed with the fall of the Ottoman Empire and the colonial domination of Europe chiefly England and France. The nations/people the Palestinians had relied on before as their "Pan-Arab" leaders were gone and they were replaced by puppet regimes set up by the colonial British and French. See British Mandate of Palestine, Egypt, Iraq, etc. Britain (with Lord Balfour) and France (which was Israel's early military supplier) were very supportive of Zionism. Thus the Palestinians saw they couldn't rely on a Pan-Arab ruler and developed strong nationalism. Just like European Jews reacted to European Christian Anti-Semitism with a "nationalism".

Posted by Dan Minter on August 3, 2007 #18779

As I understand it, after the treaty of Versailles, an official, self determined country of Palestine was created. Am I in error here? By the way, I found this article very informative and logical in the way it addresses a very complex and emotional issue. My question is this....what is a realistic solution to the issue?

Posted by assem wahdan on February 18, 2007 #13939

Excellent website.Also in Holland we hear the same rubbish as yamuboy mentioned.We are willing to defeat the untrue arguments,and your webside gives us the weapons.Keep up the good work.

Posted by foad amer on January 3, 2007 #12431

I've heard a lot of rubbish in the US about the Palestine -Israel conflict and your website is a perfect resource for those of us who can't stand blatant lies about the nature of the conflict and it's origins. The next time someone tells me that the "Palestinians simply don't exist" or something along those lines, I don't entertain their ignorance with a response but simply suggest they look at this website. Keep up the good work!

 


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