For the moment, let's assume that the Palestinian people should not have a country of their own because they have never had a state, then why should the peoples of Salvador, Guatemala, Congo, Algeria, ... etc. have the right of self determination?
It should be noted that none of these countries had a state prior to gaining independence, nor a distinct language or culture that set them apart from their neighboring states. In other words, even if it's true that the Palestinian people had neither a state, nor a distinct culture or language:
- Is that a good reason to confiscate their homes, farms, and businesses?
- Is that a good reason to block their return to their homes?
- Is that a good reason to nullify their citizenship in the country in which they were born?
According to historical facts, Zionism, as an ideology, evolved in response to the rise of Europe's nationalism and anti-Semitism in the late 19th century, especially in Tsarist Russia (Pale States), France during the Dreyfus affair, and Germany after WW I.
Similarly, Palestinian nationalism evolved in response to the presence of Zionism in Palestine, and most importantly because of the British intention to turn Palestine into a "Jewish National Home," see the Balfour Declaration for further details. These central facts were well articulated by David Ben-Gurion (Israel's 1st Prime Minister) and Moshe Sharett (Israel's 1st Foreign Minister) on many occasions. For example:
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A few months before the peace conference convened at Versailles in early 1919,
Ben-Gurion expressed his opinion of future Jewish and Arab relations:
"Everybody sees the problem in the relations between the Jews and the [Palestinian] Arabs. But not everybody sees that there's no solution to it. There is no solution! . . . The conflict between the interests of the Jews and the interests of the [Palestinian] Arabs in Palestine cannot be resolved by sophisms. I don't know any Arabs who would agree to Palestine being ours---even if we learn Arabic . . .and I have no need to learn Arabic. On the other hand, I don't see why 'Mustafa' should learn Hebrew. . . . There's a national question here. We want the country to be ours. The Arabs want the country to be theirs." (One Palestine Complete, p. 116)
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On May 27, 1931, Ben-Gurion recognized that the "Arab question" is a
"tragic question of fate" that arose only as a consequence of Zionism, and so was a "question of Zionist fulfillment in the light of Arab reality." In other words, this was a Zionist rather than an Arab question, posed to Zionists who were perplexed about how they could fulfill their aspirations in a land already inhabited by a Palestinian Arab majority. (Shabtai Teveth, p. xii, Preface)
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As the number of Jews in Palestine (Yishuv) doubled between 1931-1935, the Palestinian people became threatened with being dispossessed and for Jews becoming their masters. The Palestinian political movement was becoming more vocal and organized, which surprised Ben-Gurion. In his opinion, the demonstrations represented a "turning point" important enough to warrant Zionist concern. As he told Mapai comrades:
". . . they [referring to Palestinians] showed new power and remarkable discipline. Many of them were killed . . . this time not murderers and rioters, but political demonstrators. Despite the tremendous unrest, the order not to harm Jews was obeyed. This shows exceptional political discipline. There is no doubt that these events will leave a profound imprint on the [Palestinian] Arab movement. This time we have seen a political movement which must evoke the respect of the world. (Shabtai Teveth, p. 126)
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But Ben-Gurion set limits. The Palestinian people were incapable by themselves of developing Palestine, and they had no right to stand in the way of the Jews. He argued in 1918, that Jews' rights sprang not only from the past, but also from the future. In 1924 he declared:
"We do not recognize the right of the [Palestinian] Arabs to rule the country, since Palestine is still undeveloped and awaits its builders." In 1928 he pronounced that "the [Palestinian] Arabs have no right to close the country to us [Jews]. What right do they have to the Negev desert, which is uninhabited?"; and in 1930, "The [Palestinian] Arabs have no right to the Jordan river, and no right to prevent the construction of a power plant [by a Jewish concern]. They have a right only to that which they have created and to their homes." (Shabtai Teveth, p. 38)

In other words, the Palestinian people are entitled to no political rights whatsoever, and if they have any rights to begin with, these rights are confined to their places of residence. Ironically, this statement was written when the Palestinian people constituted 85% of Palestine's population, and owned and operated over 97% of its lands! -
In February 1937, Ben-Gurion was on the brink of a far reaching conclusion, that the Arabs of Palestine were a separate people, distinct from other Arabs and deserving of self-determination. He stated:
"The right which the Arabs in Palestine have is one due to the inhabitants of any country . . . because they live here, and not because they are Arabs . . . The Arab inhabitants of Palestine should enjoy all the rights of citizens and all political rights, not only as individuals, but as a national community, just like the Jews." (Shabtai Teveth, p. 170)

- In 1936 (soon after the outbreak of the First Palestinian Intifada), Ben-Gurion
wrote in
his diary:
"The Arabs fear of our power is intensifying, [Arabs] see exactly the opposite of what we see. It doesn't matter whether or not their view is correct.... They see [Jewish] immigration on a giant scale .... they see the Jews fortify themselves economically .. They see the best lands passing into our hands. They see England identify with Zionism. ..... [Arabs are] fighting dispossession ... The fear is not of losing the land, but of losing homeland of the Arab people, which others want to turn it into the homeland of the Jewish people. There is a fundamental conflict. We and they want the same thing: We both want Palestine ..... By our very presence and progress here, [we] have matured the [Arab] movement." (Righteous Victims, p.136)

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In 1938, Ben-Gurion also stated against the backdrop of
the First Palestinian Intifada:
"When we say that the Arabs are the aggressors and we defend ourselves ---- that is ONLY half the truth. As regards our security and life we defend ourselves. . . . But the fighting is only one aspect of the conflict, which is in its essence a political one. And politically we are the aggressors and they defend themselves." (Righteous Victims, p. 652)

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In 1936, Moshe Sharett spoke in a similar vein:

"Fear is the main factor in [Palestinian] Arab politics. . . . There is no Arab who is not harmed by Jews' entry into Palestine." (Righteous Victims, p.136)
So if the causes of Zionism had not risen, meaning European anti-Semitism, then Palestinian nationalism might not have evolved into what it is today. It's worth noting that the Palestinian people, prior to WW I, always identified themselves as being part of "The Great Syria" (Suriyya al-Kubra), however, that drastically changed when Britain intended to turn Palestine into a "Jewish National Home", see the Balfour Declaration for more details.
This declaration, which was made to the Zionist Movement in 1917, signaled the future dispossession and ethnic cleansing of the Palestinian people because it did not address their political rights. On the other hand, the declaration recognized the political rights of the "Jewish people" around the world, despite the fact that the Jews in Palestine were under 8% of the total population as of 1914 (Righteous Victims, p. 83). In that respect, Lord Balfour, who was the British Foreign Secretary and a self-professed Christian Zionist, stated in 1919:
"Zionism, be it right or wrong, good or bad, is rooted in age-old traditions, in present needs, in future hopes, of far profounder importance than the desires and prejudices of the 700,000 [Palestinian] Arabs who now inhabit the ancient land." (Righteous Victims, p. 75)
In response to this declaration, the Palestinian people started to collectively oppose the British Mandate, Jewish immigration, and land sales to the Zionist movement.
Rather than dealing directly with the issues, sadly many Israelis and Zionists have chosen to ignore the existence of the Palestinians as a people. It should be emphasized that the hawk of all Israeli hawks, Ariel Sharon, has accepted the existence of a Palestinian state, in principle, in a portion of historic Palestine. Whether Israelis and Zionists like it or not, Palestine now exists as a postal code, international calling code, internet domain name, ...etc. in the heart of "Eretz Yisrael". The 8.5 million Palestinians are not going away, and the sooner Israelis and Zionists understand this simple message, the faster they shall start dealing with core issues of the conflict in a pragmatic way.
Finally, applying such logic is very dangerous since it would eliminate half United Nations' members overnight. It is simply not just to suppress the political, economic, and civil rights of the Palestinian people by claiming that they never previously had a state, distinct language, and distinct culture. Ironically, the Zionist movement has been encouraging Jews from all corners of the world to emigrate to "Eretz Yisrael", so that there is no real common denominator between all of these immigrants such as a common language, culture, country of origin, or even a unified interpretation of "who is a Jew".
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Don't bother arguing with them. You argue by logic, they argue by racism and narcissism. It has never changed and never will. They've killed everyone who said the truth since the beginning of time.
So you unjustly deny Palestinians their land and self-determination. Using what you said the Jews of Europe, if they needed to, could go to Birobidzhan in the Jewish Autonomous Oblast that the Soviets created before 1948 CE to start with.
So to claim Palestinians supposedly didn't have "nationalism", is frankly pretty retarded, as NOBODY had the modern concept we know of today as "nationalism" until MODERN TIMES! Most of human history has been various empires, feudal systems, loyal to a monarch, etc etc. And as this article makes note Zionism in particular developed in late 19th century CE Europe, very short summary: the word "Zionism" is coined in German in 1890 CE by Austrian Jew Nathan Birnbaum in Vienna, Austria. In 1896 CE Hungarian journalist (from Pest, Hungary modern day Budapest, Hungary) Theodor Herzl writes his work "Der Judenstaat" ("The Jewish State") in German; the book is published in the German language in Leipzig, Germany and Vienna, Austria (where they speak German as well). In 1897 CE, the Zionist movement holds its' "First Zionist Congress" in the city of Basel, Switzerland (where they also speak German) specifically from August 29th to August 31st of 1897 CE. Points and DATES academics quote for the germination of Palestinian Arab national consciousness (again "nationalism" is a modern construct, see Johann Gottfried Herder in Europe again) actually predate these Zionist "dates"! You have the "Arab Revolt in Palestine" of 1834 CE, which was a revolt by Palestinian Arab clans (particularly in Al-Quds/Jeruslaem, Al-Khalil/Hebron, and Nablus, Palestine) against Ottoman rule of Palestine. The Ottomans had their allies in the Muhammad Ali Pasha dynasty in Egypt (the "Egypt Eyalet") put down this Palestinian Arab uprising of 1834. This 1834 Palestinian Arab revolt is discussed in-depth as a foundational moment in the development of Palestinian nationalism and national consciousness by Israeli academic Baruch Kimmerling and historian Joel S. Migdal. And another date, I've mentioned before, is 1670 CE with Mufti Khayr al-Din al-Ramli and his work mentioning Palestine as "our country". This work is cited by Israeli historian and academic Haim Gerber in an article available at scholarly article website JSTOR called "Palestine And Other Territorial Concepts In The 17th Century"
A final thing to note is that it is especially humorous to see Zionist propagandists making these general claims as the fact is, as this article notes, the Zionists have never been able to come up with a solid definition of any kind for supposedly "who" or "what" is a "Jew"! Similar to racist Jim Crow courts in the American south struggled in the past defining who was "white". This is especially more humorous as the modern day Zionist entity is a thoroughly SECULAR state (as some Zionists even bring up in their propaganda to attack Muslims for being "theocratic" and still having punishments in countries like say Saudi Arabia where people convicted of adultery and other crimes in that state can be executed or stoned to death for them). Yet these same Zionists don't have "Old Testament" law, and since Judaism is a RELIGION and not a "race"; they are actually being extremely hypocritical about their claims regarding their SECULAR alleged "Jewish state" lol. Jews are obviously diverse (see pnas . org Bray et al. 2010, biology-online . com Avshalom Zoossmann-Diskin October 6, 2010, Khazar inputs haplogroups R1a1, Q, and G, Tofanelli et al. 2009, arxiv . org Eran Elhaik study of August 6, 2012 and I could go on!) And also the "Bible", that Zionist propagandists often make their silly claims "based on", itself says the Canaanites, Jebusites, etc. were already living in CANAAN before any Israelites whatsoever! And also it should be noted that even in the "Old Testament", not only were the Canaanites there FIRST in Canaan, BUT also the "Jews" (in the Bible tale) never hold the all the land that modern day "Israel" controls! For example the Philistines controlled the Mediterranean coast near cities like Isdud (Ashdod) and Asqalan/Ascalon (Ashkelon) which are in the Zionist entity's control today (after they ethnically cleansed most of the Palestinians from these locations into refugee camps in the Gaza Strip in particular). And also even more hilariously "Israel", for most of the "Old Testament", is ONLY used to refer to "Northern Kingdom" (aka "Samaria") which is actually the "bad" kingdom for most of the "Jewish Bible" (or Christian "Old Testament")! That is, the northern kingdom of "Israel" was in the hands (according to the Bible tale) of the Samaritans (who are a DIFFERENT religion from Judaism all together to start! With their own Samaritan "Torah", etc etc). The southern kingdom (according to the Bible) was "Judea" and this was a relatively small chunk of land that the modern day Zionist entity makes much larger "claims" then! Which again is humorous as the Samaritans are an entirely different religion then Judaism to start with! Side note: most of the Palestinian Muslims in the city of Nablus (in the illegally Zionist occupied Palestinian West Bank) have been shown to descend primarily from Samaritans who converted to Islam; see the Palestinian surnames such as Muslimani, Shakshir, and Yaish which are common among Palestinian Muslim Arabs in Nablus (in fact the Palestinian National Authority, PNA, Mayor of Nablus is the Palestinian Muslim man Adly Yaish). Palestinians are pretty much all simply people's whose ancestors were culturally and linguistically ARABIZED (see what academic define and note on cultural and linguistic "Arabization" of various peoples). This also goes with the fact that there is still a Palestinian Christian minority (Hanan Ashrawi, Edward Said, George Habash, and many others) who (like their Palestinian Muslim counterparts) were culturally and linguistically Arabized but were not religiously Islamized; whereas most Palestinians were both Arabized and Islamized (i.e. converted to the religion of Islam from Christianity, Samaritanism, Judaism, etc etc).
There is a lot of information presented mashallah, the subject matter is overwhelming itself, where it has to be read a few times to get the full volume of what is going on.
There is much injustice in the world and unfortunately this is just another example. Coming from a Kurdish background and literally been torn from my heritage and beloved country i can relate very much to what is happening to the Palestinian people. living in a western country now you don’t see the truth of what is really happening but this site really does breath a lot of light into what is really happening in that part of the world. And it is a site i will recommend to many others.
Palestinians allowed the Jews into their land but to only be stabbed in the back and what is really sad is that through plans, sheer numbers and betrayal itself many Palestinians have suffered the ultimate price, bringing tears to the eyes of such in-humane actions. It is our duty to protect Palestine as it says in the Quran itself that we must fight for Palestine. We can’t do much but it is sites like this that bring about some hope and awareness.
Palestinian had always the access of independent of leadership and history filled of Palestinian leaders who lead their people start from King Salem the Canaani Arabian king who build the city of Orsalem and his son King Malki Sadeq on same location where Jerusalem or AL-Quds located now days. and throw history where Palestine as part of the Arabian region were always follow the leader of the region either Jews for 80 years by King David or Roman and finally the Islamic empire you will find always a leader who try to create independency for this area, till the last revolution of Shaikh Thaher Al-Umar who revolt peacefully against ottoman in the 16 century and got the Sultan approval of independent state in the area between river to sea and from Sidon in north to Gaza in south which lasted something like thirty years. Also the leadership of Al-hussini family which been recognized by the ottoman earlier and the British occupation later, and been ended with Al-Mufti Hajj Ameen .
Even as a Palestinian we consider our selves as part of great Syria, which a fact came of being one united region. Still we and a long with history see ourselves as independent nation managed to survive against all the occupation and invaders attacks start from the early attacks which leaded by the first war criminal Yousha Ben Noun .
Finally to whom saying that we are never exist as one nation and we are no more than multi nations came in waves throw centuries. That’s all applicable for every single nation such American, Mexican, Russian, Spanish and even German the only don’t fit to this fact are the Israeli who are so many nations belong to multi races who have no specific geographical or demographical identity.
Can we link Palestinian people to the ancient Canaanities or Greeks? Or they are just Arabs?
My question in other words is : From what origin are the Palestinian people?
There are many stories of injustice by Western European nations.Europeans divided the middle east into nation states, with artificial borders. The Kurds still plead for their country; the Hashemites, from the Nation state of Saudi Arabia, still take refuge in foreign territories (Iraq, Jordan), Circassians still take refuge in Palestine, as do Muslim Serbs, who settled villages like Qisariya); no one laments their plight.
There is no easy equation to solve Israeli and Palestinian history.
Focus on a solution that will move closer to acceptance of both sides, rather than a tit-for-tat rehashing of the pain of history.
This happened, good, bad, indifferent, the land was divided, and ruling powers took over. Israel is fact; the Palestinian people have an for nationhood.
We need not explain why things did not happen, make things happen now.